Jason Lawrence in jail

[MX_563]

Originally Posted by NOR*CAL54

The AMA is lame. I bet if they had the fight on film they would show it over and over in a highlight before each race.

I'm not sure but I think that by getting your pro license you agree to a certain level of conduct on and off the track (I think it's in the AMA rule book).

Furthermore, as Mike suggested, the adults around J-Law need to take some responsibility. If Grandpa Lawrence, Scott Sepkovic and YoT are all going to turn a blind eye, that pretty much only leaves the AMA. You can argue whether or not it's in their jurisdiction, but ethically speaking, they are doing the right thing.

As for innocent until proven guilty....yeah, I agree with that but come on guys.....it's not too difficult to figure out how to minimize your chances of being wrongfully arrested. If you play with fire, you're going to get burned.

As for the Emig analogy, I think perhaps John was suggesting J-Law's arrest was drug related (as was Emigs back in the day).

Lastly, I'd like to know what the heck Darsey did because I think there's a good story there. Come on Mr. Super Moderator....fill us in on your recent troubles with the law....

[5150.4mx]

Originally Posted by JN Innovations

Does the AMA have any right to control what a rider does during the week? So what he got arrested? Has Jason been convicted in a court of law yet? Innocent untill proven guilty in America right?

I personallly think J-Law is a punk kid, His time will come (or maybe just did). But I don't think the AMA has any right to suspend or ban him. Aren't they a racing sanctioning organization? What if J-law got a big speeding ticket, would you suspend him then? J-walking? ban him then too?

hmmm... John... there's some holes in your argument. The issue here isn't what J-law did to get himself arrested, it's the fact that he got arrested in the first place. And, we have to use our common sense. Is J-law one of the most innocent, nice kids you know who never gets in trouble?? Uhmmm... think not. Thus, doesn't take a rocket scientist to make an intelligent guess that he probably didn't get falsely arrested. But, even assuming he did for a second, I don't think he'd get shyt canned, nor would a suspension hold if he was in fact fasley arrested. Thus, the whole "let's see what he did" concept, although it sounds good, it doesn't hold water becuase it doens't matter what he did... because whatever it was, it caused him to be arrested. People don't get arrested for speeding or J-walking. So, those analogies also fall flat.

Kids in sports with big money, getting in trouble, is nothing new. So, J-law is blowing it... in the scheme of things, who cares. He's the one who will regret it the most down the road, especially if he does in fact blow his career. And yes, the AMA has a responsibility, just like the NBA, NFL, MLB, etc, to police the athletes playing in the league, especially since the teams that make tons of money don't have the same incentive to can thier players. Finally, I can't speak for the AMA, but in the NFL, each player signs a contract that says if they get in trouble with the law (real trouble, not j-walking or speeding tickets) then they can lose the right to play in that organization. So... J-law can hit up Europe or Canada, if AMA 86's him for some period of time... and then when he grows up and can represent the sport better, he can try again here.

[marc177s]

Originally Posted by 5150.4mx

hmmm... John... there's some holes in your argument. The issue here isn't what J-law did to get himself arrested, it's the fact that he got arrested in the first place. And, we have to use our common sense. Is J-law one of the most innocent, nice kids you know who never gets in trouble?? Uhmmm... think not. Thus, doesn't take a rocket scientist to make an intelligent guess that he probably didn't get falsely arrested. But, even assuming he did for a second, I don't think he'd get shyt canned, nor would a suspension hold if he was in fact fasley arrested. Thus, the whole "let's see what he did" concept, although it sounds good, it doesn't hold water becuase it doens't matter what he did... because whatever it was, it caused him to be arrested. People don't get arrested for speeding or J-walking. So, those analogies also fall flat.

Kids in sports with big money, getting in trouble, is nothing new. So, J-law is blowing it... in the scheme of things, who cares. He's the one who will regret it the most down the road, especially if he does in fact blow his career. And yes, the AMA has a responsibility, just like the NBA, NFL, MLB, etc, to police the athletes playing in the league, especially since the teams that make tons of money don't have the same incentive to can thier players. Finally, I can't speak for the AMA, but in the NFL, each player signs a contract that says if they get in trouble with the law (real trouble, not j-walking or speeding tickets) then they can lose the right to play in that organization. So... J-law can hit up Europe or Canada, if AMA 86's him for some period of time... and then when he grows up and can represent the sport better, he can try again here.

Good post!! Fighting over a girl, stupid! Fighting with the cops, stupider! Good riddance to a blemish on the sport! Hope they pull his pro license.

[kawak317]

I can't believe some of you try and justify this guys behavior or put blame on those around him. Does anyone take responsibility for their actions these days or is everything someone elses fault?. When did responsibilty for one's self go out of style? This is exactly why this country is headed in the wrong direction. WTF

[darsey715]

Originally Posted by MX_563

Lastly, I'd like to know what the heck Darsey did because I think there's a good story there. Come on Mr. Super Moderator....fill us in on your recent troubles with the law....

I'll plead the fifth. I'll tell ya' when I see ya'

[Pat375]

Originally Posted by MX_563

I'm not sure but I think that by getting your pro license you agree to a certain level of conduct on and off the track (I think it's in the AMA rule book).

Furthermore, as Mike suggested, the adults around J-Law need to take some responsibility.

As for innocent until proven guilty.

Adults need to take responsibility for another adult? No, no, no, and heck no. He's at least 21. When is a kid an adult nowadays, 30, 35? He has his own house, a job, come on now.
You don't go shifting blame on to the people around him, they aren't there to babysit.
If he's out getting arrested and crashing cars that's on him. Hey I don't agree with it, but it's on him and him only.
As far as being innocent until proven guilty in the U.S.A. it's more like your guilty until proven innocent.
J-Law, don't drop the soap

[darsey715]

Originally Posted by Pat375

Adults need to take responsibility for another adult? No, no, no, and heck no. He's at least 21. When is a kid an adult nowadays, 30, 35? He has his own house, a job, come on now.
You don't go shifting blame on to the people around him, they aren't there to babysit.
If he's out getting arrested and crashing cars that's on him. Hey I don't agree with it, but it's on him and him only.
As far as being innocent until proven guilty in the U.S.A. it's more like your guilty until proven innocent.
J-Law, don't drop the soap

I think he is just saying jlaw's parents messed up in raising him....that's all.

[kirk]

Originally Posted by MX_563

I'm not sure but I think that by getting your pro license you agree to a certain level of conduct on and off the track (I think it's in the AMA rule book).

Furthermore, as Mike suggested, the adults around J-Law need to take some responsibility. If Grandpa Lawrence, Scott Sepkovic and YoT are all going to turn a blind eye, that pretty much only leaves the AMA. You can argue whether or not it's in their jurisdiction, but ethically speaking, they are doing the right thing.

As for innocent until proven guilty....yeah, I agree with that but come on guys.....it's not too difficult to figure out how to minimize your chances of being wrongfully arrested. If you play with fire, you're going to get burned.

As for the Emig analogy, I think perhaps John was suggesting J-Law's arrest was drug related (as was Emigs back in the day).

Lastly, I'd like to know what the heck Darsey did because I think there's a good story there. Come on Mr. Super Moderator....fill us in on your recent troubles with the law....

Ditto
Ditto
DITTO
Ditto (lol)
Double ditto for double D ! Whasssssup !(David , pm me ;-) )

[5150.4mx]

Originally Posted by kawak317

I can't believe some of you try and justify this guys behavior or put blame on those around him. Does anyone take responsibility for their actions these days or is everything someone elses fault?. When did responsibilty for one's self go out of style? This is exactly why this country is headed in the wrong direction. WTF

hmmm... reading comprehension doesn't seem to be your strong suit. Reread where I said, verbatim: "Lawrence definately should take full responsiblity for being an idiot." I also said that others should "share" in the responsibility. Just like a parent who turns a blind eye to their kid's bad acts, and thus reinforces and emboldens a bad kid. Is the kid responsible, esp when they hit that magical age of 18?? (which J-law is just over)... Answer: a definate YES! But, should the parents be let off scott-free?? I don't think any reasonable person would say "yes."... unless of course it's their kid. People often change their tune when its them who is asked to be held accountable.

Which reminds me... as for your lack of reading comprehension skills, whose responsible for that?? Must be your teachers, the poor public school system, etc, etc.... but of course not you. Funny how that works in practice. j/k Don't get butt hurt.

[tractionaction]

OT: "Oliver Clothsoff" lol

Does any body remember that beach near Santa Cruz with the red, white and blue mailbox? I recall a few of us driving by there and stopping for a few to watch some volleyball after racing Pescadero.