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Old 01-03-2006, 01:34 PM
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Very Good News For The 2 Stroke!!!!!!!

I got this for a off dirtrider.net
" AMA and their delegates just passed a preliminary vote to allow 144cc's. Final vote tomorrow. They wanted 150cc, but ALL manufactures could NOT GET there without stroking the motor. That should put the HP IN line WITH a stock 250F.

Just finished up the committee portion OF AMA congress here IN OHIO AND I am very happy TO report that we might have evened the playing field FOR 125 riders competing against the 250f's. Looks like you will be allowed to bore the bikes out to 144cc's TO make them competitive. Representatives FROM Suzuki AND KTM along WITH Wiseco were ON hand TO lend their INPUT AND support FOR this proposed rule change.

What this means IS you will be able TO run this bike AS long AS it's stamped with the cc displacement on the cylinder and no larger than 144cc's. This will NOT apply TO the YOUTH class though AS it's a 125cc class only so that will remain the same and I'm quite certain you WONT be able TO race this 144cc Machine IN the 125 Stock class AT Lorettas. I know it leaves a few holes but I think IN the END it will help struggling families going TO the races who have TO deal WITH a 4 stroke blowing up AND can now go back TO a 2 stroke WITH a MORE realistic rebuild bill FROM their LOCAL mechanic. The Wiseco Rep had the horsepower charts FOR BOTH bikes AND said they ARE very CLOSE WHEN you put a 144 up against a 250 F AND the rebuild cost WHEN they go down IS much less ON the 2 stroke vs the 4 stroke. The KTM representative was very interested IN this AND I wouldnt be surprised TO see a 144 kit available directly FROM KTM very very soon."

That would be sweet if the 250 class did the same.
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Yes, it would be great of they do the same for the 250cc 2-strokes and if they'd make the rule apply TO the AMA Pro classes instead OF just AMA Amatuer racing.
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Old 01-04-2006, 04:43 PM
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Sweet! Now I have an excuse to send that extra worn out 125 cylinder & get it bored out
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Old 01-04-2006, 04:56 PM
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My 300 is easily as fast as the 450's out there. That would be a good SIZE FOR the MX1 class.
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Old 01-04-2006, 07:17 PM
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300 , 350 , 380 , 400 . 420 . i dont think it will make much difference in the open class ( 450 cc ) the tractable , controlable power gives the 4 stroke more of an advantage than the couple extra pounds hurt it . when we had open class two strokes , bikes less than 500 cc didnt win and the 250s were generally faster on most tracks . now the 450s are faster than the 250s that were faster than the 500cc two strokes .
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Old 01-04-2006, 08:06 PM
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300 , 350 , 380 , 400 . 420 . i dont think it will make much difference in the open class ( 450 cc ) the tractable , controlable power gives the 4 stroke more of an advantage than the couple extra pounds hurt it . when we had open class two strokes , bikes less than 500 cc didnt win and the 250s were generally faster on most tracks . now the 450s are faster than the 250s that were faster than the 500cc two strokes .
Yeah, but the two strokes sound soooo much better
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Old 01-05-2006, 03:03 PM
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300 , 350 , 380 , 400 . 420 . i dont think it will make much difference in the open class ( 450 cc ) the tractable , controlable power gives the 4 stroke more of an advantage than the couple extra pounds hurt it . when we had open class two strokes , bikes less than 500 cc didnt win and the 250s were generally faster on most tracks . now the 450s are faster than the 250s that were faster than the 500cc two strokes .
Yeah, but the two strokes sound soooo much better
yah , nothing sounded badder than bailey and johnson at the "85" 500 national at hollister .
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Old 01-05-2006, 03:17 PM
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Since the subject of 500cc 2 strokes has come up, I wish some of these younger riders had a chance to to ride one of these beasts. Things would happen very quikly on a 500 and unless you could stop yourself from a panick freeze up you could find yourself in some pretty undesirable situations. What was fun about riding one for me was trying to make the bike go fast while keeping the front end down, keeping the bike from swapping or over-shhoting a turn.
It would be cool to see a top rider get on one of the 144s against a 250f. I went to Hangtown this year and the 125 class was actually kind of boring(except the final turn of the last lap). Does anyone remember the battle Jean Michel Bayle and Guy cooper had in 91. There is doubt to me that the speeds they were going that day would have left any of those 250f riders in the dust!!. Plus the sound of those motors screming around the track at full twist definatly keep your attention.
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will the ama be running 144cc ons there 125s against 250f's IN outdoors if so this may bring back a few 125 2 stroke riders...metcalfe, you know
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I think it is gona be a good thing that the 125 can be bored to a 144. the reason they changed it is cause they relized the 125 has less torqe than a 250f so they wanted it to be fair.now i think that this change has happened it will give the 125 a little more torqe.the 125 will have the advantage now because they are lighter. I ride a 125 and can run with the 250f almost everywere. After i bore mine out i will probly be able to pull the 250f a little esier. i am realy looking forward to it!!



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