Foresthill meeting w/U.S. Forest Service

[andymoto]

Originally Posted by DirtDgr

I notice that Dave Pickett was there?

He is paid by D-36 card holders to fight for our, your, riding areas and spends ALL his time doing so.

Everyone on this site should have a D-36 card.

Magoo is right about the industry not getting together to fight this kind of krap.

Owning a D-36 card is one small thing we can do as riders to help.

Im a Lifetime Member myself.

Yeah he was and I mentioned it; he had good info. You are correct about D-36 card, cause at least Mr. Pickett DID show up-NO AMA people there, being fed operated land. And no DD members that I knew of unless Mr. Pickett is one.
I dont mean any disrespect to you or DD, but arent you part of the Outdoor National Promoters Group? And Sat Hangtown is yours as well? It seemed to me many yrs ago-70's/part of 80's that most all local mx races were AMA/D-36 and you had to get both to race when there were 5-600 riders at Plymouth, E-st. Then when CMC followed by GFI came into picture, D-36 lost lots of revenue and it was even rumored that 36 was in trouble. But whatever the case, you are right in getting a 36 card. Power is in numbers, but the numbers are no good unless we get oodles of people to show up for anything remotely resembling a land closure, etc. No one gives a crap what I myself have to say, but if thousands were to show up like to the capitol, then it makes a difference. No voices, no choices.

Im not trying to get into argument, but after 35+ yrs of being involved with m/c, and unable to ride except maybe around a smooth track(wear a pacemaker/defibrilator under skin) at a training wheel pace, it literally gets under my skin and I got so much frustration cause I cant ride like I want, but yet Im at a meeting where I know who Mr. Pickett is, met his before at 05 E st CC, and Magoo, but didnt regognize a soul, the 25 or so. Being around the sport as long as I have, I see now why ex riders don't show up. I showed up many yrs ago for Barbara Boxer meeting, believe Joshua Tree area closure and many millions land that I never rode on. And I know people have to work to be able to ride, were not all as fortunate as bubba or rc getting everything handed to us, but yet, the sport they say the love, will they ever show up when their areas close, probably not. Do all the owners of any business, dealer, aftermarket, track operators, whoever have a 36 card? Pro Circuit, FMF have a district card in their area? this is what Magoo means as well. If all our riding lands are closed, dealers, everyone, what then? That'll be the first, then motorcycles will be banned on street as well for green house effects or another idiodic reason.

I never know how I feel each day and it mentally takes a toll. But yet, Im trying to be pro active, loved foresthill, drove well over 100 mi round trip on my on few dimes so I can quell rumors about permanent closures and at least try and be of value to the m/c community. Dont do it for the atta boys- do it cause i give a darn. But no one gives a darn about my long tenure in the sport; the dollars; the referrals I made to others to buy from my dealers, and Ill bet Magoo even feels that way as most of the others do. And being a person that cant really ride anymore, I dont need the aggravation of doing something that you guys that still ride should be doing. No wonder most riders that walk away from the sport never return.

No disrespect intended-not feelin good today and by the number of threads replying, and most were from one person, its just is showing me no one gives a darn, plain and simple. Very disappointing. Hope you guys make a ton at Hangtown. Sorry, I had to say that. One other thing, you say at the bottom that you dont represent DD views, but yet you use their logo. Seems contidictory. To each their own. And yes, everyone NEEDS to get a D-36 card. Respect the past and save the future. Apologize for frustration.

[DirtDgr]

I have no idea on the funding amounts at PC.

As far as using the DDNMC logo? Im just a proud member (since 1989) and I figure by using the logo, if there are ever questions about Hangtown then you guys know where to ask.

But my opinions our mine alone. Although in this thread I could assume that the other 34 guys would share my opinion, that might not be the case every time.

[andymoto]

So Mr. Meek, youre stating on your thread what your club probably supports is just about the opinion you have, information on Hangtown or buying a D-36 card? I did not disagree on the card- But where's the other parts like lets help out at Foresthill, Mammoth Bar, lets volunteer; you list your construction co. as a sponsor; why not volunteer to build one of the bridges and have it named after you/your company? Over 100,000 used the bridges at Foresthill.

I mentioned several times that EVERYONE NEEDS TO JOIN D-36.

Magoo's right, the industry doesn't care and possibly never will, until it's too late. I'm more convinced than ever.

Mr. Pickett should do all the work while the rest ride. Or get ready for the races. He needs help, not only member dues.

No wonder the Sierra Club and those trying to shut riding down seem to have a leg up on us.

Why should I even bother going to a meeting when the solution is joining D-36? Saves me the aggravation of watching how little people really care, how few people show up and my gas bill.

Lots have forgotten riding is a PRIVILEDGE and all the community does is take it for granted.

Since you are a DD member, how does one become a Dirt Digger? I used to know a couple, but how does one become a member? Your clubs logo, my question.

Unfortunately, profit has come before the greatness and rush of motorcycling.

I have a friend that with half a dozen others asked a bulldozer driver at Mammoth Bar if they could help with shovels or any which way to get the motocross track up and running. Place still closed, another disallusioned rider that sold his bike and gave up on the sport with his friend that sold his bike as well and gave up.

Magoo was the one that asked about Prarie City funding and about Hangtown and didnt get an answer and abruptly left the meeting at that point. I cannot say if he suddenly left for those reasons; but it was pretty obvious in my opinion.

I found it amazing that there were over 100 threads regarding the old Coyote Ridge MX track in Redding that NEW owners that want the off-road community to quit trespassing on their property that's now a horse/cattle ranch. There were more people complaining about not being able to ride there
even though some in their community are passing around a petition to close the Chappie OHV area.

But yet Foresthill seems to have fallen on deaf ears. The more volunteers, even including meetings, the more hours the Forest Service can show to get more funding needs, which one of my threads state cannot be in the form of a cash donation. Funding solutions are in works.

And this is how we honor a hero to motorcycling in Danny "Magoo" Chandler.

It's just not only getting a D-36 card. Im sure Magoo will be happy to hear all the concern the WHOLE motorcycling community has on this site for his hometown's OHV park. I am NOT speaking for him. I only went cause I care about the rest of you riders and this nonsense that continues about land that is closed that should be OPEN to all of you. I am very passionate as you can see how motorcycling, "has been taking it in the shorts" ;and why? Cause no one cares, until its their area. I went to pay a "thanks" to what's still MY sport and respecting it.

Seen too many places close. Maybe I should leave this fight up to you that can still physically ride as you want. I'm sorry I even went now.

[hrlyman]

Andy .... Dont give up... thats all Im gonna ask of you.

Everyone else here at NORCAL MOTOCROSS SITE (Joeys Site) You all need to hear what Andy is saying and step up to the plate:

1) We need to organize ourselves in support of the public lands for everyone benefit. If you dont understand this concept then please ask.

2) If you're just gonna consider yourself a "Track Rider" and this doesnt affect you.... then you're mistaking and you're letting your fellow riders down.

3) Is this site a place where we can find people to support and volunteer to get involved with these issues? or are we just barking up the wrong tree here????? Let us know now.

4) You people involved with "organizations", "clubs" and "associations" that promote dirt bike riding need to take these issues back to your groups and promote volunteerism to help this situation at your meetings, otherwise youre "CLUB" is worthless to the overall usefullness to our sports future.

5) You track owners and promotors should also pay attention and get involved... one hand washes the other around here. The day may come when you need help from the off-roading community. Dont draw lines between yourselves and trail riders.

6) Motorcylce business's.... where do you think your dollars will come from if no one has a place to ride anymore? I know thats extreme, but you need to help us out here too... thats the bottom line.

So you need to make a Choice; Use it (and Protect it) or Lose it!

Sorry for being harsh but I think some people need to wake the hell up!

[TomMason1968]

No Paul, your not barking up the wrong tree. I think that many riders have that "someone else will step up" attitude. For some the thought of volunteering time when they could be riding doesnt sound attractive. Some riders honestly may not be able to make it to some of the govt. meetings The attitude towards thinking that everything will be alright needs to change somehow. Right now it may be the trails and open riding areas that are coming under fire, but they will get the tracks in their sights soon. It is important for us to step outside of ourselves and show up to the "legal matters" affecting our sport.

[DirtDgr]

Were on the same team here right?

[andymoto]

Originally Posted by DirtDgr

Were on the same team here right?

I know my questions were not respectfully answered. Appreciate the direspect, teammate.

I know I didnt hear anything about volunteering, teammate.

I know that a "team" of volunteers that showed up to the Foresthill meeting is trying to keep it from being shut down for good.

I know that if we were all on the same team, there would be threads FULL of riders, dealers, associations, aftermarket co's, clubs, websites, etc asking any way they can volunteer or other ways to help.

I know unless this team gets it's act together, your lifetime D-36 card will be useless down the road. Or the kids card will be.

I know that a "team" will show up to the State Capitol and for anyone that wants to join, We'll be there at 9am till however long it takes.

I know that I'm a fool to care for this team, who as Tom Mason correctly noted, has that "someone else will be there" mentality to fight for me attitude while you have ALL the fun of riding; member of same team?

ED WALDHEIM, 68 yrs old and he has been the president of CORVA (California Off-Road Vehicle Assn.) for 14 years the President of it, put 25,000+miles on a 5 month old vehcle attending 221 meetings in JUST 2006 alone. Go to his website www.corva.org and read the story of "the heist of the green sticker program" dated 2-24-07. He states "in Sac, we should have 5,000 people there, blocking streets, the hallways of the state capitol. He also states, "if YOU are not there, CORVA and the other organizations will be hard pressed to save our sport". He asked every off-road user to take a day off, take sick time, borrow for gas money or whatever to be there. It's that crucial.If he travelin this far-should tell you coming up to do or die time.

If you, clubs, assn's, dealers, aftermarkets, promoters and all show, that would be the greatest. More the merrier. Otherwise, your question, which has already been answered; no team here. Every rider, dealer, club, promoter, company for themselves. I hope Im wrong.

And the only question you can share is that "were on the same team here, right?" Like Magoo said, the motorcycle community is never together on matters of importance; as CORVA President Ed Waldheim says,"if youre not there (at Capitol Mon), we'll be hard pressed to save our sport".

Does that sound like were on the same team here if we've gotten to this point that were hard pressed to save our sport?

[andymoto]

hrlyman tells me that in Oregon, the users of the trails have what amounts to be mandatory volunteer days and/or weekend to maintain trails.. Since we are in such dire straights, I believe we should consider this.

[hrlyman]

Originally Posted by andymoto

hrlyman tells me that in Oregon, the users of the trails have what amounts to be mandatory volunteer days and/or weekend to maintain trails.. Since we are in such dire straights, I believe we should consider this.

Let me re-phrase this just a bit.... IT BECAME necessary to implement 'work days' at some of the trail riding places becasue they too did not have funding from state sources to take care of their sites. If we wanted to ride, it was gonna be up to the riders to build and maintain the trails in which we used.

This is a very viable option for us if the Forest Service is willing to implement something along these lines. It appears that they have already put something together because that have a rating system for workers as Andy has stated.

[andymoto]

Maybe I'll personally tell my lawmakers about the Oregon trail system program you had to go thru. I'll bet his eyes will light up thinking why give them ANY sticker money? Fortunately, I'm not a backstabber, unlike those who just want to ride or profit from the sport. Except the few businesses/riders who did go to the Capitol deserve better from the rest of the community.