Foresthill meeting w/U.S. Forest Service

[jenn022]

It's unfortunate that I am reading about this today on the 20th, when the gathering was yesterday in Sac. I would have made the time to go.

It seems to me, that the reason many (like myself) seem to not care is because we are not aware or educated of the issues. I just came across this thread today because I was hoping to go ride at Foresthill soon (I have never been there and I was looking for information on the park.) I am suprised to learn it is closed until May and that this is going on.

Let me clarify a bit before I get "put in my place." I am aware of the constant battles to keep our riding places open. It is the specific locations and issues that come up that it is difficult to keep on top of. That is why I donate my money to Blue Ribbon Coalition and D-36, so they can help keep me informed and help protect my rights to ride. I don't expect my dues will be my only contribution to keeping areas open, but I do hope it keeps me informed. I would like to see D-36 put together an e-mail list of all members and send out notifications of when there are opportunities (like yesterday) for us to step up and come together as a group.

Maybe even Joey could put together a thread dedicated specifically to sharing information about these meetings and gatherings so we can all be "on the same team" and show up to represent our passion.

[hrlyman]

Originally Posted by jenn022

It's unfortunate that I am reading about this today on the 20th, when the gathering was yesterday in Sac. I would have made the time to go.

It seems to me, that the reason many (like myself) seem to not care is because we are not aware or educated of the issues. I just came across this thread today because I was hoping to go ride at Foresthill soon (I have never been there and I was looking for information on the park.) I am suprised to learn it is closed until May and that this is going on.

Let me clarify a bit before I get "put in my place." I am aware of the constant battles to keep our riding places open. It is the specific locations and issues that come up that it is difficult to keep on top of. That is why I donate my money to Blue Ribbon Coalition and D-36, so they can help keep me informed and help protect my rights to ride. I don't expect my dues will be my only contribution to keeping areas open, but I do hope it keeps me informed. I would like to see D-36 put together an e-mail list of all members and send out notifications of when there are opportunities (like yesterday) for us to step up and come together as a group.

Maybe even Joey could put together a thread dedicated specifically to sharing information about these meetings and gatherings so we can all be "on the same team" and show up to represent our passion.

Save your money lady.... no one here cares about any of these issues by the lack of response obviously. I guess this is just a 'rider-taker' site and nothing more.

Sorry for the synicism but thats what I get when I see 100's of posts on threads like "What color boots do you wear dude" and nothing on these real important issues....

[jenn022]

I gotta agree with you on that one. I just looked at pages and pages of posts on whether or not you are faster when you ride high. Seriously, what the ???? This drives me crazy.

[hrlyman]

Originally Posted by jenn022

It's unfortunate that I am reading about this today on the 20th, when the gathering was yesterday in Sac. I would have made the time to go.

It seems to me, that the reason many (like myself) seem to not care is because we are not aware or educated of the issues. I just came across this thread today because I was hoping to go ride at Foresthill soon (I have never been there and I was looking for information on the park.) I am suprised to learn it is closed until May and that this is going on.

Sorry Jenn for getting off track a bit here this morning.... but I was fryed! Thanks for your offer to be there yesterday, but it probably would have just made you as "happy as we are this morning" .... I know what andymoto is feeling after his meeting with NFS and taking the time to report back here to the people of this site that we thought were interested in 'something'.... But now that Ive pulled my head out of my preverbial a$$, I can maybe answer some fo your questions.

1. Awareness, education and information management are THE KEY to everyone being able to do anything for any reason.... If there is interest, the information can be found... I mean this is the INTERNET for christ sake!... Al Gore worked very hard to bring all this information to us all!

But if people are more interested in lap times, the molecular structure and moisture content of dirt and videos of the day and how fast their sons can become a PRO.... for a piss ant pay-out then they typically arent interested in finding anything out about what they can do to save something that is gonna be gone very soon. Those are just the riders...

2. What about the industry? We met 1 dealer that was at the capitol yesterday.... 1!!!!!!!!!!! Where the hell are the people at that are making their living on this industry???? and why arent they out there protecting their INCOME and LIFESTYLE?????? ...
Lets see: Roseville Yamaha, PCP, Captiol Yamaha, Carmiceal Honda,Mach1 motorsports, BR1, Norcal Motorsports, Cyclegear, El Segundos, just to name a few locals.... isnt there always someone touting to SUPPORT YOUR LOCAL SHOPS....? must not be too important, they must do it for a hobby... they can probably just as well open a golf ball shop and sell dented balls to idiots swinging clubs.... oops sorry Im getting off subject again.

3. What about the promotors and operators?... Scott Davis was there and he doesnt even own land.... he's an operator for state lands. Making them money while they sit on their collective ass and ask for more $$$. Todd Nelson was there and he doesnt even have his track (CMP) operational yet.... But he made the effort to get out and say his piece. These promotors (CMA, UMA, AMA, AMP, GFI,...) that USE the SVRA and OHV parks for their own personal benefit should have had their butts sitting in those legislators offices ALL DAY LONG and been in their fighting for their lives...... where were they?


4. What about the organizations, associations, clubs and AMA district representatives that are suppose to be representing our needs at this level? Why dont these people get more involved in the legislative end of our sport? Why? because again... it would take effort.... effort that does not include enjoyment of riding your pristine little bike around a perfectly prepped track.... Part of being a board member of ANY CLUB that I have been apart of is to INFORM YOUR FRIGGEN MEMBERSHIP ABOUT THINGS THAT AFFECT YOUR SPORT!!!!!!!!
Even the Hells Angels inform their membership when they are needed to be someplace at sometime and for what reason and AT LEAST THEY GO!!!!!!

Sorry I couldnt get them to show up yesterday, they were all out of town....

On another note though I did try and get some street riders to show and many comments I got back were of this nature: What have the MX people ever done for us?
So as you can see... You do have to GIVE to GET.... but thats a whole nother subject.

Originally Posted by jenn022

Let me clarify a bit before I get "put in my place." I am aware of the constant battles to keep our riding places open. It is the specific locations and issues that come up that it is difficult to keep on top of. That is why I donate my money to Blue Ribbon Coalition and D-36, so they can help keep me informed and help protect my rights to ride. I don't expect my dues will be my only contribution to keeping areas open, but I do hope it keeps me informed. I would like to see D-36 put together an e-mail list of all members and send out notifications of when there are opportunities (like yesterday) for us to step up and come together as a group.

Jenn your money and where you choose to donate it is your choice, but you should be asking these people what they are going to do FOR YOU, with YOUR MONEY. And expect an intelligent answer from them. If they cant then tell them you'll find someone else to deliver your message.

There are many people fighting for our rights, but they ulitmately need more than our money when times along. You should send your ideas to AMA D-36 and BRS and tell them what you want for your donations. Tell them you want to be informed and you want EVERYONE informed. Tell them to get out there and do their damn job. Thats what that money is used for. Its not used to pay an rangers for their time or to maintain park trails.

Volunteerism is going to be on the rise.... and thats where we can all make advances towards meeting the obligations of our sport. And this is not directed at just you Jen but to everyone that rides... track or trail, street or dirt... if you really have the passion for two-wheels (2 wheels are motorcycles I dont dont care how you see it) then you will understand what Im saying and you will make the time and effort to get out and volunteer your time to make things good. We will probably have to form some kind of Adopt-a-Trail program where clubs and associations or members of some kinds of group can go out and do this work.

All kinds of ideas are being considered right now so if you got 'em this is the place to excite your brain a bit and get them out on paper to the people it really matters to.... I am still hoping that is NORCAL MOTOCROSS.

Originally Posted by jenn022

Maybe even Joey could put together a thread dedicated specifically to sharing information about these meetings and gatherings so we can all be "on the same team" and show up to represent our passion.

Yea where is Joey?????? Joey you out there? Maybe we can start a LEGISLATIVE SECTION up there on the top row of FORUMS so that anybody looking for LEGISLATIVE INFO can find very EASILY......
What do you Think JOEY??????? Great Idea JENN, keep them coming

[5150.4mx]

Harlyman... I feel your frustration. For what it's worth, I've been in your shoes.. i.e, back in the early 90's when I saw some serious momentum being built up against off road riding, I often felt like I was knocking my head against a wall, especially when I got less than steller support from what I thought were people that would show more effort to protect our sport.

I must admit, that after spending lots of time and energy, and essentially, feeling evisorated, and abandoned at times when I wanted support from industry people, that I got sour on fellow mx'ers, perhaps how you're feeling now??

Anyway, I too was not there yesterday, and although I have a great excuse (I run my own business and if I don't get certain work done by certain deadlines, I can be sued for malpractice and even disbarred) I know excuses don't help protect our rights. However, I still donate my time and legal skills to review proposed legislation and comment on what I think are loopholes to ban riding, and other traps to allow prevention of riding.

Also, you're right... people who make money from this sport, such as dealerships, aftermarket shops, promoters, track owners, etc, should at a minimum be financially supporting the efforts of those who are actively involved in this fight, if they can't show up themselves. (btw: for the record, I don't make one penny off of this sport. My efforts with Club Moto are as a volunteer, because I want to see that place stay open. If anything, I lose income from the time I spend volunteery my efforts, which is time I could be spending making money from my job.)

I guess my point is that I have found in life that if you want to get something done, you have to do it yourself. Lot's of people will talk about what they will do, etc, but if talk were actions, then everyone on the planet would be millionaires, or otherwise at the top of their game, whatever that may be. I know you know this, so I'm preaching to the converted.

Keep up the good fight man. I for one (and I'm sure many others) greatly appreciate your efforts.

[andymoto]

Originally Posted by jenn022

I gotta agree with you on that one. I just looked at pages and pages of posts on whether or not you are faster when you ride high. Seriously, what the ???? This drives me crazy.

Jenn-are you the woman that used to stay in the white station wagon at E st; ride practice Sat;race Sun? Trying to put a face to a name I recognize. I used to stay overnight in the trailer under the bridge and ride around on quad during prac/race days.
Sorry you didn't hear about Capitol or Foresthill. I know I mentioned both on this NorCal site as did others. Too bad the money YOU paid to those clubs didn't notify you about the events. Nice to hear youre a member of BOTH clubs. The D-36 Legislative leader, Dave Pickett, goes to every meeting possible regarding our issues so know that 36 is very pro-active. There is a communication problem that needs to be addressed and solved.
Foresthill may open sooner cause of the weather and as I mentioned at the meeting I went to, there are groups with lead captains forming and we could use every body possible.
The next meeting is next Thursday, March 29th at 5pm at Pizza Factory in Foresthill. But, go to the website friendsofforesthillohvtrails@gmail.com and send an e-mail or call Leif/Wendy Lowery @ Foresthill Motorsports @ 367-6686 maybe 530 area code to insure the infos accurate.
Foresthill's rad. Lots of soil is good for riding. Hope you have time to particitpate in meeting and maybe be of help, cause its to the point that if we don't get enough participation, the place WILL close. I guarantee you will love riding there.

NorCal website doesn't seem to be the correct place for land use/closure issues-Gettin high gets more response cause the age group that uses website-Kinda like why should I bother wastin my time, cant ride really anymore, so why help those who only think their going to be bubba or rc, or just want to roost so why should I bother doing the work they should be doing. Too bad we have to be threading each other about gettin high or boots, but goes with the territory. The Foresthill meeting had almost as many women involved as men so it would be cool for you and ridin friends to participate.
Paul is right in some ways- shouldve known at Capitol and Foresthill gathering. And he's been a positive voice and good, intelligent person that the riding community needs, but is driving away. No voices, no choices.
thanks for your interest.

[jenn022]

[quote=andymoto;56612]Jenn-are you the woman that used to stay in the white station wagon at E st; ride practice Sat;race Sun? Trying to put a face to a name I recognize. I used to stay overnight in the trailer under the bridge and ride around on quad during prac/race days.
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No that's not me, but I'm sure we've crossed paths. I race E-St., AMP and Lillipution, run Number 022 and race women's class and +30 Beg. Usually people know me by the crutches or slings, because i'm terrible at MX and always crash. But hey I think it's great fun anyway. I haven't been at the MX races recently because I just got my AFM road racing license and I have been busy getting ready for that race schedule. : )

Anyway, like it was said earlier, two wheels is two wheels and keeping access open affects us all. I suprised by the street riders feedback of "What have you done for us?" A big portion of the street riders I know also like to trail riding.

I appreciate the effort you have put into providing the information on this site, I know it is time consuming and frustrating for you. But know there are a few out there that really appreciate it.

You are right that all the info in the world is available on the internet, but I don't have the time to go searching. I like that we have a forum here where people can share information as they hear about it.

I have some more ideas to share on how we can reach out to people and get more involvement, but I want to think about it some more. In the next few days I am going to make some notes and post my ideas on this subject.

We need to help the younger generation protect themselves. Maybe we can even convince some of them to stop writing school reports on legalizing marijuana and start writing reports on keeping access open. Dream big.

[hrlyman]

Originally Posted by jenn022

I haven't been at the MX races recently because I just got my AFM road racing license and I have been busy getting ready for that race schedule. : )

Anyway, like it was said earlier, two wheels is two wheels and keeping access open affects us all. I suprised by the street riders feedback of "What have you done for us?" A big portion of the street riders I know also like to trail riding.

I have some more ideas to share on how we can reach out to people and get more involvement, but I want to think about it some more. In the next few days I am going to make some notes and post my ideas on this subject.

We need to help the younger generation protect themselves. Maybe we can even convince some of them to stop writing school reports on legalizing marijuana and start writing reports on keeping access open. Dream big.

See now theres a smart lady... going onto the pavement to get her licks in.... So youre gonna road race bikes????? thats cool, I always enjoyed that too. Seems Ive kinda gone backwards now in my later life, going back to MX after roadracing bikes and cars. People keep telling me MX is for young-er guys.... supposedly... but dont tell them that when I beat them.
Roadracing is much smoother and less taxing on the body most definately, much higher speeds and an absolute adrenline rush like no other.

As for comments by street riders, I think it boils down to attitude and they believe that some MX people are attitudinal.... some (MX'rs) have a 'bad-boy' skater attitude-image of themselves. It repulses them to think that this genre of human society is connected somehow to the two-wheeled world... a misrepresentation by their standards. Kinda like the weekend biker thing or the 'bikers' that have to trailer their bikes to events because they dont want them to get dirty... It all boils down to an image thing... Thats not what bikes (dirt or street) should be about.

I ride Harleys and although I dont ride everyday rain or shine, sleet or snow (I rode in snow this past weekend) I still consider myself a hardcore biker type, not a weekend biker. Ive ridden my bike to Sturgis, Oregon, Washington, Idaho, Montana, Wyoming, Nevada, Arizona, parts of Canada and countless miles around this awesome state (with no trailering!) wow imagine that.

Ive gotten back into dirtbike riding because of my kids are growing up and getting interested in it. Its in the blood!... Its like you cant take just one lick off a lolly-pop, so now Im racing again too! You just get sucked in, but its fun.

Back to some point on this.... I think they (those that state such things) believe they're just all talk and no action... no matter what that action is defined as. So to them it's like Put up, Do something or Shut up!

I like your book report idea, i think we just heard from some of the "16 yr old Genius" crowd on this site about that familiar subject.... Maybe they could learn something about how our government operates if they would learn the process instead of just how it screws us. The problem with the people that always think that our government is screwing them is that thye are typically the ones that have no idea how it operates in the first place. Civics 101.... remember that class? I dont think they teach it anymore.

thanks for the input

[COBRA8]

Originally Posted by andymoto

I suggest go to Thumpertalk.com, and get more info as well as D-36 websites. There will be another meeting in two weeks, Wed March 29th 5:00 at the Pizza Factory. I will have directions and be a volunteer to help. Showing up would be helpful. This is the first of a bunch of meetings.

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Did you mean Wed March 28 or Thur March 29?

[hrlyman]

Originally Posted by andymoto

Another thing I forgot to mention, go to friendsofforesthillohvtrails@gmail.com- there is also a goal of building six bridges to keep users from going over water crossings, which erode the trail and install culverts to direct the seasonal creeks under the trails.
The website is planning a fundraiser in June to Raise at least $35,000 for Foresthill and give the money to the Forest Service in the way of a creation of a non-profit group and a few other ideas since they arent allow to take donations, how stupid, and asking any lumber companies to donate materials for the bridges and approach any local contractors to build the bridges and the bridges will be named after them. So if you were a contractor and built the bridge, it would be called the Harleyman bridge;just like naming of the freeways. Thank you for caring and support. Try and volunteer, write, e-mail legislators,

So lets review:

1) Planning Fundraiser in JUNE - This sis cool, hotdogs and hamburgers!
2) Raise $35,000 and create non-profit to give money to NFS. - Hey OTHG is a non-profit org that can donate money....
3) Invite Local Contractors; Anybody we know????? I know a few guys that can swing a pretty mean hammer.
4) Invite Local Suppliers; Lumber, Steel, Concrete,
5) The "Harleyman Bridge"... now that has a nice ring to it! does that mean I have to donate $35K?

This is so totally do-able. I know concrete guys and iron workers and Im sure that there are at least a few more guys on here that know construction types.... Yes?????