Activist Educational Stuff...

[hrlyman]

Ok so, I hear that people want information?????

Have you ever wondered about how much MONEY California gets from FEDERAL FUNDING for parks and rec???? and just understand that this does not even include our GREEN STICKER FEES....


Allocations and Apportionments - Recreational Trails Program - FHWA


Now after you see (and choke on how many figures) this, please try to comprehend how much money those eco-pigs are using against us and the park rangers dont even have enough money to clean out the toilets....

Is anyone else mad yet?

[hrlyman]

So as you can see from this little chart....

California gets the most money:

For 2007 thats over $5.5 MILLION DOLLARS!!!!!

The next closest state is Texas and they get $3.4 Million. and most of them ride horses!....

Anyway, so where is all this money going? These are questions you need to ask your legislators. This is the information you take to them and let them know that you are informed and you want them to be accountable for the money they are expected to control.

[andymoto]

Originally Posted by hrlyman

FROM THUMPERTALK.com for your viewing and educational pleasure:

The text of a bill to reconstitute the OHV commission grant program became available this weekend. the Commission is due to sunset 1/1/08.

Actual Text of the Steinberg bill (SB742):

http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/07-08/...introduced.pdf

Overview:
The bill will recast allocation schedule for the OHV Trust Fund. The fund will be made up of:
- Fuel tax revenue
- OHV fees
- SVRA fees ($10/vehicle)
- the baseline amout to be transferred will be based on amount from 2006-2007

Outstanding funds will be transferred to Parks and Rec

The OHV fees were previously: service fee - $7 special fee- $8
Fees will now be: service fee - $7 special fee -$67
*Also there will be a SALES FEE yet to be determined on all OHV's

No more red sticker, all must be green sticker (Page 3, line 6)

You will have to have in your possession at all times written permission from the landowner when riding on private property. (This is already in effect in San Bernadino County)

Funds from the C&E account will be used to reimburse the FWS for the route inventory costs.

Funds may be used for both motorized and non-motorized recreation accessed off highway


Commission makeup:
1. OHV interests
2. Bio/soils science/experts
3. Rural landowners
4. LE
5. Environmentalist
6. Non-motorized recreation

the guv's got authority to appoint 3 to OHV commission, it'll be $10 per vehicle and $10 more for additional vehicle (trailer), all OHV's will have to pass an exhaust emission standard to get a green sticker; no more red stickers, so those bikes can't use parks; seems like sticker will be either $67 or $75 each registration period; a transfer of what excess funds are left go to Parks and Rec (might of read that one wrong I hope); a New OHV parks fund; Parks and Rec then have funds go to OHV trust fund- whew - gotta read this several times. like the parts they crossed out. too much info 16 pages this Senate Bill is. Everyone should, even the youngsters read this to see your dollars at work. Crazy.

From sounds of it, ANYONE WITH OR WITHOUT motors in their vehicles are considered in the OHV bill. Mountain bikers too. The boaters and sailors will be in park/rec but their money comes from OHV trust fund.

Its just an only green sticker program- it clumps above and ones I missed into the category that's eligible for Off Highway funds. Boats are off highway, Mtn bikes, what! regardless of being park/rec, funds go into our trust. and the methods of allocation. Im tellin ya, Steinberg is one that speaks softly, and I'll bet anyone that he'll run for a major state office. He's doing an injustice with this thing and I have to take some real "awake" time to really get every bit digested. Geez.

[hrlyman]

For your further reading pleasures....

This is a link to the California Fuel Tax Study that was completed in 2006 for the 2007 season. This is one of the basic components that is the make up of why SB742 has been put into place.... Theres big money involved!

http://ohv.parks.ca.gov/pages/1140/f...y%20report.pdf


there will be a test on this.....

[hrlyman]

There are 19 National Forests in the State of California that are managed by the National Forest Service (NFS) for the Federal Government.

Here is the listing for each of them and their respective websites:
National Forest

Also understand that even though you are learning of all the different funding methods that California has to provide for the care and well being of our public lands, these FEDERALLY managed entities must still ASK (more like beg) the local government for grants in order to fullfill their wishlists of things to do during each fiscal year. Heres and example from the Angeles National Forest site:

http://www.fs.fed.us/r5/angeles/docu...nd-summary.doc


As you can see, they have to draft a grant document every year and express what they need the funding for. If our Legislators simply say "NO" then these FEDERALLY MANAGED entities dont get a single dollar for anything....

Imagine all the FEDERAL dollars coming into this state for 2007 ($5.5 Million) and the legislators dont let it go into the needs that it is being asked for? Something wrong with this picture??????
Yep!

[hrlyman]

Heres some more interesting NATIONAL FOREST COST Information:

A typical restoration project cost sheet:

http://www.fs.fed.us/r5/angeles/docu...on-project.doc

A typical trail maintenance project cost sheet:

http://www.fs.fed.us/r5/angeles/docu...aintenance.doc

Now the reason why this is important to you? As tax payers of this STATE and the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, this is money you have already paid forward to have the work done. However, if our State Legislators DO NOT give the grants to the NFS for these types of projects then where is the money going to???

These are the questions we need to have them be responsible and accountable for. So ask...

[hrlyman]

My comments are in BLUE...

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

Littlerock Creek Closure
On January 25, 1999, (a little old) the Angeles National Forest will expand the seasonal closure of Littlerock Creek from Joshua Tree Campground to Sulphur Springs Campground. The expanded boundaries will close Basin Campground in Littlerock Recreation Area, prohibiting access year-round to approximately 3,000 acres.

For the past three years the Angeles National Forest has closed portions of Littlerock Creek from spring until the end of September in an effort to protect the habitat for known populations of the endangered Arroyo southwestern toad (and what are they doing in Califonia?, more illegals?) and other aquatic species.

A 1998 (again very old) assessment of the effectiveness of the closure concluded that actions to date have not provided adequate protection for the habitat and existing populations of the Arroyo Toad, and the risk for harming one of these endangered creatures is high.
(Ok this is good)The killing of a single toad is a violation of the Endangered Species Act, under which forest managers are held personally responsible. (I havent seen too many public hangings of Forest Managers lately have you?) Despite the clearly posted closure, forest visitors continued to enter the closure area. In a single week during the breeding season, forest officers issued nearly 200 citations. (hmmmm 200 x about $500 a shot, thats pretty good money!)

This spring and summer the forest will conduct additional surveys and monitoring efforts to determine the precise location of Toad populations, (I can tell you where they are without another study... there in a friggen hole STUPID!, they dont like sun!!!!) as well as other listed species, within the closed area.

In order to obtain accurate information, (because they cant count dead frogs?) the surveys must be repeated over several seasons. (several!... meaning more funds for eco-pigs to suck up money from the green sticker program) For this reason, the closure will remain in place until February of 2003, or until further notice. (3 years it took for them to get an accurate count of living or dead frogs and keep 3000 acres closed off the the OHV public, which is what this land was set aside for.)

Does this seem ridiculous to anybody but me?

Sorry if I have offended any FROG LOVERS.... but youre on the wrong site!

[andymoto]

Originally Posted by hrlyman

My comments are in BLUE...

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

Littlerock Creek Closure
On January 25, 1999, (a little old) the Angeles National Forest will expand the seasonal closure of Littlerock Creek from Joshua Tree Campground to Sulphur Springs Campground. The expanded boundaries will close Basin Campground in Littlerock Recreation Area, prohibiting access year-round to approximately 3,000 acres.

For the past three years the Angeles National Forest has closed portions of Littlerock Creek from spring until the end of September in an effort to protect the habitat for known populations of the endangered Arroyo southwestern toad (and what are they doing in Califonia?, more illegals?) and other aquatic species.

A 1998 (again very old) assessment of the effectiveness of the closure concluded that actions to date have not provided adequate protection for the habitat and existing populations of the Arroyo Toad, and the risk for harming one of these endangered creatures is high.
(Ok this is good)The killing of a single toad is a violation of the Endangered Species Act, under which forest managers are held personally responsible. (I havent seen too many public hangings of Forest Managers lately have you?) Despite the clearly posted closure, forest visitors continued to enter the closure area. In a single week during the breeding season, forest officers issued nearly 200 citations. (hmmmm 200 x about $500 a shot, thats pretty good money!)

This spring and summer the forest will conduct additional surveys and monitoring efforts to determine the precise location of Toad populations, (I can tell you where they are without another study... there in a friggen hole STUPID!, they dont like sun!!!!) as well as other listed species, within the closed area.

In order to obtain accurate information, (because they cant count dead frogs?) the surveys must be repeated over several seasons. (several!... meaning more funds for eco-pigs to suck up money from the green sticker program) For this reason, the closure will remain in place until February of 2003, or until further notice. (3 years it took for them to get an accurate count of living or dead frogs and keep 3000 acres closed off the the OHV public, which is what this land was set aside for.)

Does this seem ridiculous to anybody but me?

Sorry if I have offended any FROG LOVERS.... but youre on the wrong site!

Im rollin dude-this is some of the most outrageous stuff- hold personally responsible forest managers-go back to the wild west days, I can just see the rope hangin from the tree (have hearing to make sure tree also not endangered list) and the Sierra Club judge holdin this long document listing the managers crimes and cuttin the rope and the crowd clapping and chanting. Oops, another delay to see if land theyre standing on is private property so they have to get a written letter that theyre not trespassing.
So if the poor forest manager has to sweat it out for 3 yrs so they can do a re-count(unless dead frog is found and admitted to evidence; need shyster lawyer real bad to get evidence inadmissable); obviously felony case here.
Poor manager sits in jail since bail will be too high until resolve all evidenciary matters are settled.......this is too much.
At least the dirt biker gets off better than that forest manager.
And those wonder why we care.

[andymoto]

I made a copy of SB 742 and going to go over it again and take it over to McGeorge Law School for their students and see if any are riders. Maybe someone there would be interested. Just a thought since the school is not too far from the house.

[hrlyman]

Portion of the text of SB742 dealing with GREEN STICKER CHANGES:

The people of the State of California do enact as follows:

SECTION 1.
(a) It is the intent of the Legislature to require that all off-road motor vehicles sold and registered or identified in California meet the exhaust emissions requirements for “green sticker” vehicles established under subdivision (b) of Section 2412 of Title 13 of the California Code of Regulations.
(b) It is the further intent of the Legislature that new registration or identification of off highway motor vehicles shall not be allowed with a "red sticker" under the current restrictions of subdivision (f) of Section 2412 of Title 13 of the California Code of Regulations.

Link To Title 13 Sec. 2412: http://www.arb.ca.gov/regs/title13/2412.pdf

(c) It is the intent of the Legislature to appropriate money from the Conservation and Enforcement Services Account in the
Off-Highway Vehicle Trust Fund to the Department of Parks and Recreation to cover the costs incurred by the United States Fish and Wildlife Service in completing the federal government’s off-highway vehicle route designation process on federal lands in California.